Ben. Just curious did you see the same activity (fall 2003) as you had in years past. Usaully as you said you can almost pick a week. Usually around the 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th of November when the big bucks really get into the mix. I'm not talking about the dinks chasing. But the Mature bucks that you would never know were there. They almost appear like someone flipped a swicth. Last year I did not see that. The dinks were still doing alot of chasing well into the 20th of November with not a mature buck within site ( except a high 140's 8 point that got himself shot). This is highly irregular for the area I have been bowhunting. Years past the mature bucks were out roaming in search of does well before the gun season. I didnt see that this last year. Its intresting that Alsheimer predicted a late rut last year. I dont buy totally into this moon thing myself but Alsheimer is starting to convince me a little piece at a time. I will have to keep more notes (mostly video tape with notes) before I will be totally convinced. I will add our buck to doe ratio is not where it should be to produce an aggresive rut. That may be part of the problem in itself. JMHO