Chickory , i will be up in teh Allegheny national forest , and i hear you on the overkill on deer , when i started hunting 4 sesasons ago when i turned 12 , i would go out the first 2 days of buck and see 50 - 60 deer , and sometimes 5 or 6 buck , but now i go and i see 3 or 4 deer all weekend and thats uaually all doe , but on the upside , all the buck i saw last year that were shot , would be on my wall , not one dink was slammed , so i think the antler restrictions r good , but they r getting way way too kill happy on the doe in some areas , i guess our reasearchers and new WMU's arent so studied after all... they think all the studies they do on captive deer , and deer they snag in fields is helping , but they need to get their asses out in teh woods and actually see how it really is!