Your trying to make me angry and it's not working. People here will not listen to reasonable arguments, ignore logical examples and basically do everything that makes a discussion not function properly. This is why we have circular arguments in every topic.

If anyone here is posting in a logical manner and not letting emotion cloud their thinking, that would be me.

This topic has run it's course, I've presented (in three different topics) as much logic and reasoning as I can muster without spending an inordinate amount of time on convincing people I don't know and don't care about.