Rochelle, I have three Traditions. The Evolution inline , Champion 2000 Inline Carbine with thumbhole and beavertail stock. and just got a Pennsylvania Musket that I really love. All are fine guns the Evolution is the most realiable deer gun I loaded up in mid Dec and hunted snow and rain and fired it in mid january with out reloading she seals up tight with the 209 primer. Anyway go online to traditions and get there Old Saybrook Phone# and call their show room they usually have a few dozen models that are seconds and you can't find the defect usually a cosmetic blemish. So talk to them and you might find just what you want for a few hundred cheeper. My Evolution, still havent found the defect, listed for near $300 and I paid $169 the 2000 was $449 for $299 These are discounted because they are discontinued and they have some left a great deal. The Pennsylvanian with a stock dent about the size of the O here. was $529 for $340. If you want more info Email me and I will send you my phone #. Or any one else for that matter. Where do you live?