I have not practiced too much in the last couple of years , but plan on starting on a regular bases, I'm back in Compation mode again after my big 2 year event is now over. If I can place 2nd in a NWTF open, 1st in the NWTF Friction, and 1st in the Resident,1st in the Owl hooting , with out much practicing , I should be able to pull off a first with practice in a Open...BT