thanks guys...that did help....and yes DU mags are probably the best....I have a friend that just gave me a few...my reference book is coming right a long ...thanks to all you that emailed me ...I appreciate it a lot! can't wait to mount my wood duck and mallards so I can post the pics to show....cheers-lee

ps: yes carpmaster... a chick that does taxidermy...lol...trust me we're out there!