for anybody interested this year utah went to over the counter muzzleloader hunts i just found a ranch in the middle of the migration its 19000 acres all private the landowner says the hunt should be awesome hes only allowing 5 people to hunt .the hunt takes place in early november. hes only charging 1800 a person anybody interested let me know and ill put you in contact with the guy i talked to. also hes doing 2 day guided cow elk hunts for 500$