It took me 4 years to tag my first deer. 4 does approached me coming down a creek bottom, and I zapped the largest one of the bunch with my grandpa's pre 64 Winchester Model 94 30-30. At 60 yds, the shot entered the front left shoulder, penetrated the entire body, and exited the rear right ham. The deer did a complete 360 upon bullet impact, ran about 40 yds, leaving a good blood trail, and fell over.