"pork chop" was shot with a 125 grn two blade stinger at 22 yards. Complete pass through took out both lungs and the darn thing still went over 100 yards. It did leave a blood trail large enough to follow at a dead run. The buck was shot with a Rocky snyper at 23 yards. complete pass through deer ran 20 yards back towards me and fell at the base of my tree! I do plan on posting before and after pics, I just need to get a good digital camera, these were pics I had made on "disk" I feel like a kid with a new toy now