I bought a Viper back in 96 when they first came out...used it till 2002 killed around 35-40 deer out of with gun and bow. It was heavy but very solid and comfy. I sold it last year and bought a new lighter Viper XLS...I love it! Wouldnt have any other stand. Cant beat the service with Summitt either.....top notch. Going from around 32 pounds to 19 pounds in these hills was a blessing...lol.