PA JAY... i have seen and read alot about them in hunting mags , and online , i saw one up at a mathews dealer in eastern PA.... Although i may look into a new hoyt , might take the 15 minute ride up to NELSONS out by you and talk to dotty , see what she has for me to check out... its narrowed down to 3 tho , havoctec , vipertec , and outback...