I ran into a guy a few years back that was hard up for cash, I ended up stealing an almost brand new Bushmaster for $60 from him. I love it, its light, stable, quiet, for the mobile hunter that likes to hike to places no one else wants to go, its a perfect stand. I have since bought a viper as well. Their customer service is great as well, they really back up their products if you ever have any trouble with them.