Goldtip45,I shoot a Justice with a 27" draw length at 70lbs.With a 350 grain goldtip 55/75 it shoots 261fps.With a 370 grain goldtip 55/75 it shoots 253fps.I have to agree with hunter9022 that the liberty and justice are not speed demons when compared to the patriot,extreme or mighty mite but they are by far some of the smoothest shootin bows on the market.If you want a smooth drawing bow you can shoot all day and still hold steady like you said go with the liberty or justice you won't be disappointed with either one.I had a hard time deciding between the 2 myself.I just liked the shorter axle to axle justice better for a great treestand and stalking bow.I love mine.