you are probably right! no arguing here.i do not shoot my rifles [that i deer hunt with] except during the deer season.however,when i do shoot one of them,i know where it is going to shoot since i hunt a pipeline and my shots are from 50-400 yards.never lost a deer yet due to shooting these cheap bullets.i never have hunted elk or moose or bear so i am not an expert on talking about such.wonder what they used 30-40 years ago out west for elk and such when the 270 was the gun of choice and these new fangled bullets were not around?