BTBowhunter, Yes I have asked both Dr. Alt and Bret Walingford about 2 years ago, and their answer is what I posted above, They do not consider any land that is not FORESTED to be deer habitat, and every square mile of non forested land is excluded from the equation when determining the DD. for each WMU. no matter if the land is in York, Potter, Clearfield or Pike Co. IL. Actually even if Alt would consider farm land as deer habitat, he wouldnt give 5B a deer density of more than 13 DPSM anyway so it would still be a joke!! And I doubt you would be in favor of reducing the herd on your property even to 13 DPSM.Pike