Jeff,it's all about perception.I know alot of guys that support Alt but would never even consider taking their herds down to level Alt want's.Alot of people don't know what the deer density goals are and alot refuse to think they're possible.I've been saying it for a long time,If you support Alt but refuse to reduce the herd to those levels,you're a hypocrit.I think pretty much along the same lines as you do.I support ar and balancing the herd with the habitat.I just don't support the desired end result or the lies being used to get there.Therfore,I do support many principles of qdm but I can't support Alt.The hunters in this state really need to wake up.