Ok, Elkampmaster, you have brought up a point I got to ask about. Would you hunt elk or moose with 270win? You might say sure. And which bullet would you use? You would probably say 150gr, maybe 160gr. Ok, a 270win shoots a 150gr bullet at a max of 3000fps if you running very hot. And nobody can argue, that they have taken a thier share of elk and Moose. Why is it everyone thinks with a gun shooting a .308" bullet, they have to have 180gr min?