ORIGINAL: silentassassin
atlasman,
IF I were looking for someones approval, it would be someone that I respected a lot more than I do you
What an a$$hole thing to say........you started this stupid topic and now you cry when you don't get the response you hoped for.
what I really want to see is you high and righteous folks get off you high horse and quit waving fingers at everyone else.
No.......what you want is someone to say it's OK for you to poach deer after shooting hours are over because in your mind you should still be able to shoot.
When you are guilty, or have been at some point of the same things. I am just tired of hearing from a bunch of hypocrites. Because unless you all are perfect, you have also made mistakes
If I were guilty of poaching after hours I wouldn't tell you it was wrong.........to be hypocritical you must be guilty of the same yourself first.
That's exactly what you do when you speed. So theres no difference.
Speeding can be done by mistake very easily and people speed knowing full well a cop may be behind the next tree..........you on the other hand break game laws because you know your chance of getting caught is almost zero. You take advantage of the system while others just press their luck and risk the punishment........there is no risk for you, just reward which makes it a selfish act as well.
I never asked whether it was right or wrong.
Well, it obviously concerns you since you are trying your best to justify your actions with the "everyone else does bad stuff too" defense. In your book 2 wrongs make a right I guess.
I asked how far does it go before the person is considered a poacher.
And you got people's opinions..........don't ask if you are gonna cry about the answer
Then the high and mighty (which aren't perfect and also break laws) jumped in and started saying that anyone breaks a law in any way is a poacher (right, wrong, indifferent, my fault, your fault, nobody's fault if a law is broken you're a poacher)
I stopped reading so I don't know exactly what has been said but IMO you are a poacher if whatever you do is outside the hunting laws and results in you harvesting or wounding a deer (Shooting late, early, illegal equipment or tactics etc). Unsuccessful attempts is still poaching.........so just because you didn't kill one doesn't mean sitting in the dark TRYING to kill one isn't poaching.........it's just unsuccessful poaching.
We'll I am saying the same thing. In my eyes if you have ever broken a law for any reason then you are a criminal.
Your opinion...........fine. So why do have such a problem with other people saying anyone who breaks poaching laws is a poacher??
You might not like the title or feel like it belongs but in my eyes your a criminal.
So?
It's amazing to watch people flop sides and start crawfishing when they find themselves guilty of the same things of which they have just been accusing others.[:-][:'(]
who is guilty of the same thing as a poacher?? You asked about poaching, not being a crimminal. If you want to say everyone is a crimminal on some level fine but that doesn't mean they are the same as a deliberate poacher. A petty thief is not the same as a murderer........a jaywalker is not equal to a rapist.......and all misdemeanors are not equal. Try getting a job with a speeding violation vs a gun charge or a theft charge and see which one works better for ya.
I see a lot of "letter of the law" responses ..... laws are NOT ethics and morals. I can gut shoot 10 deer this fall and lose 9 of them - well within the legalities of our bowhunting laws. I can pick up an untuned bow and go fling arrows at live game with no practice and break no laws in doing so. I'm legal guys .... so am I ethical ?
No.
The reverse is also true. There are times when the bounds of the law is unethical IMO. Breaking the letter of the laws in those instances does not a poacher make.
Nobody said that just following the game laws makes you ethical........but when you are out on what amounts to an honor system in most areas due to limited enforceability and you knowingly choose to disobey the laws because you know you won't get caught..........that says more about your ethics then it does your legal mindset.
Knowing you should not be in your stand and still staying is no different then knowing you can't shoot over 40 yards and letting one fly anyways because he is a nice buck...........either way your ethics and morals were tossed aside in a selfish attempt at personal satisfaction.
Why don't you call your local DEC and ask them if shooting deer past legal hours is poaching??
Then whine to them that they sped to work that morning and rolled through a stop sign so they shouldn't be allowed to enforce poaching laws
