See, a lot depends on what you are shooting at and what your goal is. I see guys are shooting 3D targets. That's cool, but not the best if you are working on shooting form and or group sizes. Spots are what to shoot when you are doing this. With a 3D target you are not shooting at a spot but an area. I like to shoot NFAA Hunter Faces when doing this. The all black target with the white bullseye just draws the eye, making it easier to aim a something definitive. So, with a 24" face with a 5" bull I can normally shoot 6" groups at 60 yards. There are those days that I get some occasional 3-4" groups, and there are days that it's 12". Depends a lot on how much coffee I sucked up that morning, how well I am seeing, what shoes I have on. Man, there are a lot of variables.