I've been looking around some, and I think it will be either the deerhunter in one of those redi-pack things, or a PA pellet in a redi-pack, thanks for advice. Also Tomster, you said you had a deerhunter, what range do you think that the gun would be limited to, to adequately put down a deer, 50,75, 100 yards?, I have no clue myself on muzzeloader terminal performance so any advice would be helpful, Also, have you tried sabots, are they capable of a degree of accuracy in a deerhunter with 1-48" twist, or are they just a waste of time,(I reload 44mag bullets, and so if I can get away with putting some in a sabot and saving some cash I will, but only if they are reasonably accurate)