i shouldered an OU 12guage at a gun store... it felt good, but i was leary about an OU for $500... I would rather spend $300-$400 more and get a used Red Label or Citori even. At least you know both of those will last... i am assuming that the quality of those guns is much like Stoeger, which is great for a couple years. Not what most people are looking for in an investment like an OU shotgun!