Nubo, I guess you got the new Patriot Dually up and shooting! I shoot one too and love it! I have always shot 4"-5" vanes or feathers all my life (shooting 29 years) I tried some 3" vanes in this past month (playing around in the off season) for the first time in my shooting career and I am impressed very much with them. They fly like darts and they seems to group better at close and longer yardages for me. I am thinking that the smaller vanes are holding there shape better than the larger ones and that seems to be making them more consistent. I have read where alot guys use 3" vanes for hunting with mechanicals (which I shoot) so I thought I would give them a try for the heck of it. Now I think I am hooked on them! Give the 3" vanes a try and see what you think. You might be suprised!