Thanks guys for the input. Hunting primarily in the Southeast I have found 8X to fit my needs. Since I last posted I am also looking at the Zeiss Victory 8X40's. The birders I have spoken with all like the Zeiss, Swarovski, and say that the Kahles are the equal to the older Bausch & L.'s. I have had opportunity to look through them all and the Zeiss are spectacular, but so are the Swarovski's and the Kahles are very good also. I guess the bottom line is how much I can save up!