Anyone game for some intellegence or do you all want to run around with your hands in the air crying wolf.

First I am no wolf lover. I don't care about wolves anymore than I care about other wildlife. Wolves are a part of nature and I am a nature fan. Now I am an elk lover.

Second. Based on your rational because I don't live in wolf country you're saying I shouldn't have anything to say about it and I'm only spouting BS. Give me a break. I'm trying to have an intellegent converstaion about it.

Now lets get down to business if there is any intellegence left out there. I have read everything I can get my hands on. Think about this rationally. To kill twelve full grown cow elk in one sitting you would have to have a super pack. Elk are still strong and it takes 2 or 3 wolves to bring one down and a few minutes to kill it by suffocation.

Ok so here goes our little scenario. So a pack of 9 see an elk herd. They break up in groups of 3. Each group attaks the herd and takes down a cow. Thats 3 elk on the ground while. After 2 or 3 minutes and strangling the elk the pack gets back up then after using all that energy they take off after the elk herd that has been running for 3 minutes, they catch up, take down another 3 cows and repeat until they get 12 cows. OK then after all that work they what, drag all the carcasses back to only central area to laugh and take pictures. After which they rip open the stomach of the cow only to feed on the fetus. Yeah that happens all the time I'm sure in wolf packs or maybe these wolves killed a couple of hunters down the road and took thier high powered rifles and just started plucking all the elk off. Its just not possible from a standpoint of rationale, thats info that is not accurate in one way or another. At the very least at the very extreme of the spectrum. I'm sure you guys are all experts in your own right however the real experts say wolves in fact do not kill for fun. They kill to survive and they do in fact consume what they eat. Oh and they target the weak, a necessary balance in nature.

By the way a Tom moutain lion will kill about an average of one deer a week.

Yes wolves roam in packs. But again lets use a little rationality here. If there are only 50 wolves in an area they are not going to kill thousands of animals. I completely agree they should not be protected. They should be hunted, exterminated if causing problems and managed. They should be kept at acceptable levels, they should not be allowed to roam unmanaged. If they start killing too many elk, up the wolf tags until that effect is very minimal. But anyone who thinks they are any different than any other predator has got some studying to do because the experts, you know the people who get paid to do this, say you are wrong.