Citori,i know exactily what your saying.I to see posts on here showing 40,50,60 yard groups with the arrows touching each other.Now there are probably very few shooters on this forum that can do this consistantly,but if you will notice,alot of these fine people will make a very tight group at 40 yards and be very proud of themselves,admittenly stating that this was a good day,and just wants to show their group off.I dont think anyone here ever said that they can make these groups at 60 yards on a regular bases"At least i never noticed "