dad saw a eight point last night and a boy from school drove by my house and said he had to stop cause tow monsters jumped in front of him and crossed the road less than 200 yards from my house i have a notion that its a 13pointner and his twin(never didd get a count on his points) from last year im purty sure they have went noturnal on me these are no slouches id say 180class this year and whos know what next year SHOOT you may see me in a magazine if i get em haha