Mike what do you or I or anyone else have to base our DPSM or DPfSM numbers on??? NOTHING. I'm all for leaving it in the biologists hands. Gary Alt has already stated in print that deer numbers would be lower than some sportsman would prefer in some areas. The fact that some folks will be unhappy does not change the fact that we need to do something about habitat, taht some change downward in deer numbers are necessary. Besides DD's already stated that under ALt deer numbers are rising, so why worry about thier goals they'll never reach em DD, MikeE, Juniopc, etc - none of us have any idea what those numbers need to be. Folks just want to blindly argue against them because less deer scares them.
As for DD's presentation of numbers. I've already shown you he takes data and makes invalid interpretations of it. He also directly lies when refuting where data was collected from (If you don't know where don't say you do to bolster your arguement or shoot down someone elses). But again, I think he does know where the data comes from and deliberately states differntly to discredit others and shore up his position. So as for DD's numbers, once I see them popping up a skip through them. They really mean nothing. The PGC website and other sites are chock full of information for folks to read through carefully and make thier own decisions. What DD does is wrong, but a favored tactic of folks like Slinsky and others. Can't really argue with DD on his data, just like you can't tell a kid he did wrong. All you get is blanket deniels and no I didn't you did. Juniorpc.