Ok Doug, first I'll admit that I don't have the study in hand and I dont feel like printing it again but I don't recall any particular area where the goal is 15 der pfsm. I'm sure you'll point it out for me. I will say that I know the area around my camp is currently estimated at 29 deer pfsm with a target of 23. I personally don't like it that my traditional beloved hunting ground has substantially less deer than it used to and the PGC wants there to be even fewer than there is now but I am adult enough and care enough about the long term health of the herd AND the forest AND the other competing wildlife to recognize that it just cant be the way it was for awhile and maybe forever.

I personally think that most arguements against AR and the higher doe kills originate out of emotional attachment to "the way things were" If most opponents to the entire deer managemnet plan were honest with themselves they would see that the overall plan is good for the long term health of the herd and their selfish attachments to old ways are clouding their judgement.