I didn't say thier data was invalid. Your interpretation of thier data was invalid. You can't make the assummtions you make from the data you looked at and claim them as fact. You created your own "facts" and stated them as the truth. Your interpretation is not valid or true. Did you notice that they did not make the same calculations you did from the data. Why- because you can't. You just can't. Another thing you can't do is present these as "facts" to someone doing a research paper. Which is why, before even looking at your link I stated that the young man doing the paper should do his own research. He could use thier tables for what they were intended. And yes, taxidermy surveys were used for data collection in the antler point study among the other places I mentioned. DD's facts are like a box of chocolate. You don't know what you got until you bite into them. I'm done going back and forth with him on this post though, not what it was intended for, but I did need to point out the innaccurracies in his 'Facts". Juniorpc