thanks for the tips! most of my shots will be within 10 yds. i actually have a garden in my courtyard, and that's where they come in. i have a pointer, and they drive her crazy too... i just set up a "bird" feeder, because I have to bait without anyone knowing about it, my girlfriend included! i finally got rid of an annoying ird that wakes me and my dog up and 5:00 every morning too! i don't kow why i didn't think of this earlier. the good thing is, that only two people could possily see me do it, and one wants to shoot the friggin things with me! they eat his stuff too. anyways, thanks for the help... i am gonna set up a little target range in my house today... i think i can do that 5 of diamonds, but i want to make sure. thanks again!