I don't know where all you guys are hunting that say you see these huge strings of does with the occasional spike thrown in.I've killed 20 bucks in the past 22 years and only two where spikes.Every deer that I kill is always layered with fat.Rarely do I see a mature doe without twins.I can't remember one year when I wasn't hunting after at least one buck that was at least 120 inches.

Take dd's challenge and find one piece of evidence that says the adult b/d ratio is any worse than 1/2.1..You can't because there is no evidence.Even Alt supporter and qdm master Kip Adams, proved that even if every antlered deer was killed each year,the worse the b/d ratio could get is 1/3.

Regardless of these fact,I'm still glad ar was implemented for purely selfish reasons.I don't shoot sub ar bucks so I'm glad others are forced to pass as well.Furthermore,I detest guys shooting at running deer and snap shooting as soon as they see horns.I believe ar forced many to slow down.Other than that,it's impossible for any of Alt's claims to come true if his deer density goals are met.He's set goals that are at least 50% less than what the habitat can support.Like dd stated,no value is placed on farm or edge habitat.Pretty ridiculous to leave that out considering deer are creatures of the edge.I guess Alt was too busy following Byron Shissler and Cindy Dunn around to hear that as they searched for trillium.

I'm still waiting for someone to explain how the herd hasn't been reduced when Alt claimed we had an 8% reduction in 2001 followed by two of the biggest antlerless harvests in history.Will someone please explain this too me.Alt won't answer it.