At our local club shoots, if you do not shoot up you do not have a chance to place. our clubs shoot 20 targets, and I was 1 down yesterday. 212, 211, and 210 were first, second and third.

One of our members shot a 431 in Kinder at the last ASA pro am and won super seniors.

Having said that, even or 10 down is typically a pretty good shoot. I have seen some courses where 20 down was goo shooting, but that is the exception rather than the rule.