I watched a buck for four years once he started out as real high spike last time I saw him he was a real nice 8 or ten point usally they are not going to get good racks when they are full grown and have small spikes my cousin shot a spike this year and his father told him the deer was at least seven years old they nget pretty gray in the face as they get older to something like what an old dogs face looks like hey wait a minute ive got some grey in my <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>