hey STealthy, if I ever make it to Rkansas I'll have to hook up with ya. My ole crusader is super nice to draw, no hand shock, prudy simple to quiet and quick to boot. My newer one is a bit quicker (its also 4lbs heavier) but it feels much stouter in the draw then just 4lbs heavier! Have to move my nock point up a bit and I'll get back to ya. Also a scweet shooting bow as far as quiet and no hand shock though!