Thanks hunter338 for the reply. I was told that Howa was made by Weatherby Vanguards or is Weatherby Vanguards made by Howa. Anyhow I dont plan on selling it I really enjoy this gun, no recoil and pretty accurate with factory loads. Of course I am a pretty big guy and dont mind the recoil at all. I once shot two boxes out this gun and never bothered me.