Yes, Doug thier are areas out thier that are more in line with managment goals. Your suggesting he micromange these areas? Heck he's had to scratch and claw just for an initial foothold. I'm all for letting him take a good stab at deer managment and take a look at it down the road. Folks can't ignore the fact that the great hurdles- misguided views of the public, politicians, PGC law enforcement personell, PGC Commissioners, A century of traditon, that needed to be overcome have shaped his first couple years of managment. Things can't change overnight and folks who never supported him because it was change or simply that it was Alt, then isolate this fact or that fact and sight it as evidence that "Alt has failed." Just getting this far was a huge victory, and one only he could have accomplished (it took someone with some noteriety and media connects to overcome the immense opposition from within). Thing will only get better in the long run. Which doesn't mean there will not be ups and downs, good decisions and poor ones. Folks just need to leave it in the hands of the folks who have the best chance to make the right decisions. That's all I've ever advocated.. leave it in the hands of the folks who have the best oppertunity to make the correct decisions. has he done everything right, nope, but he's still standing so he's done most things right.... fine tuning will come, more drastic changes based on what data shows will come too, admitting this change was better, that change was worse for things will come too. Folks don't want to here that though. They'd rather it stay the same, despite what negative impact that would have. Using hunting as a proper manament tool is what will allow hunting to stand the test of time. Doug, email me or I'll email you as we get closer to fall and well meet up to spotlight a couple times. Juniorpc. Juniorpc