sorry, forgot to add this in, while i do believe from what i have read that some kind of drastic measure needed to be done, i am not against the shooting of the doe to get the job done. i still hope to get down there to give it a whirl sometime, for either bear or deer. when you hear people from other states complain about PA hunters complaining, and being tired of hearing of it, just remember this, your herd is larger than most, heck, your doe kill last year alone is larger than the entire deer herd in VT!