You win. You don't care to read or listen. You're the winner. Experiment no... research yes. Large/small scale research.. suddenly you know all about research protocal. Heck, you need enough participants in a study to have it be valid. But enough about the truth. I move on "ignored biologists recommendations" that I've stated several times in this thread implies something (lets say research) led to those recommendations that I state were ignored. The climate over the years has also not been very favorable to biologists undertaking much in terms of deer study that would be politiclly incorrect was not fostered, encouraged, nor did it happen much. Can't have much ground breaking (there I go again using that word) research happen under such a negative climate. So yes I understand research has been going on here and in other states. Some of that has been implemented here (hence not so experimental) How about ground breaking (I'm chuckling now)! Four years??? has he now???? How many years have we had antler restrictions???. How about this, don't impose any pressure on the fellow, don't slow him down or quicken his track and just let him do what the biology tells him over that same four year period and see where we would be now. Don't accept that that task he took on was astronomical in scope with hundreds of different pressures and that has affected how quickly he can move, but then hammer the results minus the concession he's had to proceed on a politically and emotionally charged playing field. I conceed, you win. Deaddeer is the winner. Here ye, here ye... I do proclaim....... wow I gotta go run my hounds and relax. First I'll change my spotlight bulb should be one heck of a fall!!(chuckling again, I crack myself up). Juniorpc.