Junior,I too remember the days of seeing groups of 20 -30 deer.I've said many times that this was far too many deer.I'm not asking for a deer behind every tree.Think about this for a second.There is only one management unit in the state that is at or below it's goal.I live and hunt in that unit.Presently we are at 13 dpsm in this unit.I'm telling you for a fact that we have less bucks overall and way less bigger ones.Unless your hunting in 2g,you're hunting in an area that is above the deer density goals.If you're above the deer density goals you will see more and bigger bucks for a while.However,once those goals are met,there is no way you can have more and bigger bucks.It's mathematically impossible.I'm not against reasonable herd reductions or ar.I'm not against may of the changes implemented.I'm against the ridiculous goals and the lies Alt is using to obtain them.So tell me again,how will we have more and bigger bucks than ever before when these goals are met.