ELKamp, I tie a goose neck on the bags. Twist the bag around in circles until you have all of the top end rolled into a cylinder fold the cyl. in half and tie the bag with a string. I dont know about the murky water situation though. I would be less inclined to use that. We are fortunate as the area that we hunt is fed by a glacier and water is everywhere. I know of about 40 different wallows. Our camp usually has only about 2-3 people and we don't use horses during archery. All of the meat is packed out on our backs. Upon studying the situation we knew that we didn't have time on our side, so we had to come up with a plan. After swimming in the creek one day, we knew what the answer was. It was to use it as a refrigerator. We have even kept our capes in good shape this way. The capes come out at night and we hange them on the trees so that they will dry out even more. In late july, we always pack into camp and restock our cache. pleanty of bags and meat bags are taken in so we can carry nothing but our clothes when we go in to hunt. We have been going to that camp for several years now. We have also made a cache further up the mountain. If we get into the elk up there. We dig a little and presto, more tents, sleeping bags, food etc. Things have to be planned out in advance when you have very little man power. Last year we took 2 elk in 1 day, with 2 of us there. We stayed up all night boning out elk and had every last bit in the creek before sunrise the next day. After the meat was in the water it gave us the 2 days we needed to get the meat out. By the way. The temp was 80 degrees those 2 days. Let me tell you, those were some of the best steaks that I have ever eaten, and not an ounce was wasted.