I sure laugh when I see or hunt with those poor misguided 223 guys with there toy want to be rifles. My 22-250 shoots flatter and faster than a 223 will ever go. I figure these guys who shoot them are either too stupid or didn't get through 8th grade to read a ballistics chart. The charts don't lie folks. Seems these 223 shooters are just plain stuck in low gear when it comes to a real caliber. hope they grow up some day and take up a real rifle.