Wayne,

Dang man, you're starting to think like a real dog trainer now Excellent analysis

We'll work on it next Sunday------Until then, don't worry (or work) about it. I'll bring birds.

As far as a "real hunting scenario", Yup, I've seen it before (more than once) []

Also, on Sunday the 21st, I thnk we should meet up at the Chewelah Casino -- I trained Casey down there today -- They got some excellent grounds and water as well and I got permission to use their land for dog training