I feel the same as Ray van Halm. It is not about the killing, it is the whole experience. If I dont have any luck hunting, I can go to the supermarket and buy meat. I live & hunt in a small town and we have had deer poached from our hunting land and have heard second and third hand how these guys got a nice 8 pt. by the gate (at night with spotlights)that goes to our hunting land. When they get drunk, they brag to thier friends about thier "hunting" success. It makes by Italian blood boil just talking about it!! It seems that we have had more trouble this year than in recent years with people hooking up 4 WD trucks to the cable gate and destroying it. We also had a Scouting Camera stolen this year. Keep in mind this is all private and well posted land.