Maybe part of my problem is that I am mainly ASA oriented though I do shoot alittle IBO. HC and Bow Novice or Open C in ASA are not technically the same. Novice and open C are supposed to be beginners classes for entry level shooters while IBO's HC is for fixed pin short yardage shooters period. They are not the SAME. If I really pi**ed anyone off, sorry. When I did most of my IBO shooting there was no hunter class, you either shot MBO or MBR.