thanks trophyhunter... i think after visiting a couple local gun stores, i am going to go with a 270 insead of the 280... 1. the ammo is cheaper and easier to find 2. it shoots flatter... 3. i have only been able to find a 280 in ruger, browning and remington... i love these makes, but i don't want to limit myself to only 3 brands... i was looking at savage... but, i do have good luck with remington and i will look at the 270 you recommended. thanks for noticeing that part had een left out... i hadn't even noticed myself!