WOW.. that sure makes me re-think whether I would want to use them. That does not sound like something I would want to use. I have been looking at a number of different projectiles. I am leaning towards the T/C Shockwaves or Hornady SST's what ever you like to call them. Some people have told me that the T/C Cheapshots will really knock deer flat although I can not say that is a fact. Thanks for the heads up.