Nope, no argument here. They suck. I admit it. I am even selling my havoctec as we speak on ebay. They are slow. They have split limbs. The new dual track idler system is a gimick as is the TEC riser design. They wasted millions on research and development.....

One thing I will mention is that the Havoctec and Cybertec come standard with limbsavers. To remove them takes away from the intended affect of the bow....same thing as if the harmonic dampeners or sand limb pockets would be taken out of/off of a Mathews or Bowtech. Ofcourse there would be more recoil.

Good luck with whatever you pick Jerry. You are the one that needs to be happy with it.

Edited by - PABowhntr on 02/09/2002 07:42:22