Sounds to me like a die hard Mathews fan here that just found out how sweet those new Hoyts are, but is just too Mathews loyal to admit it. It was a dead give away when you said they really sucked, because I've been reading this forum and others for quite some time now, and have not heard anything but good things about both. I've seen a number of comparisons on here between the CyberTec and the Q2, and everyone except I think one said that the CyberTec was quieter, AND faster! I've shot both the CyberTec and HavocTec, and I thought the CyberTec was the quietest and most recoil free bow I have ever shot. The HavocTec had a little vibration, but not bad, and was also very quiet. And yes I have shot the Mathews Q2 and SQ2, and IMO the Hoyt's were definitly quieter, smoother, and faster. It is my opinion that the Hoyt's took a definate step ahead of Mathews for 2002, but that's just my opinion, and everyone is entitled to thiers just as you are.