I can live with 1 1/2 groups in a rifle meant for hunting out to two yards or so. I like to see one inch groupd in all my rifles or better of course is also fine. Some rifles will do it with about any load and some won't cut it with any load. My 257 Roberts will shoot Nosler Balisitic tips or Partitions into groups under 1/2 inch. I have a new 308 in a Browning A-bolt that I have not shot yet. If my rifle will hit a poker chip at 100 yards then its ready to hunt with. Thats my before season test for my guns.