The grip is way better than the Mathews stock grip, but I shoot the Shrewd grip. Whatever happened to a Shrewd grip for Bowtech? I do respect the fact they put a real grip on the bow to start with. Ven with the lower grip change Mathews is still behind Hoyt and Bowtech grip wise, unless you install aftermarket.

I saw a patriot dualy at a local store, and was pretty impressed. I find the Bowtech hype laughable, but I wouldn't mind trying out a shooteable bow that does 330 anyway.